Common Council is bound and determined to adopt a more businesslike approach to doing the city's business.
There are restrictions in place on how long you can speak in open session and Mayor Mel Norton keeps a tight rein on the flow of discussion.
The same sort of restrictions will be tried when councillors meet in Committee of the Whole away from the public eye.
West side Common Councillor Bill Farren is wary of having any more impediments to debate and is suggesting there's too much concern already with getting before the TV cameras.
Mayor Norton keeps reminding councillors their job is to set policy and not in the nitty gritty of how it gets done.